
Cal Poly administrators are examining the possibility of moving the university toward a semester-based calendar in response to statewide pressure to standardize the California State University (CSU) system.
A CSU task force co-chaired by Cal Poly President Jeffrey Armstrong, among other presidents of universities still using the quarter system, aims to determine the logistics of transitioning the colleges to semesters. Though Armstrong said he wants to hear opinions from campus representatives, he believes Cal Poly would do well using semesters.
“If I had to make a call today, I’d say we should look really seriously about converting,” Armstrong said. “But I don’t have to make a call today. I think we should discuss it.”
Armstrong spoke on the issue Tuesday at a special meeting of the Academic Senate. He told the dozens of professors in attendance his thoughts on the controversial debate, but made it clear he wants to have campus-wide discussion related to a semester-based calendar.
Though the university president said when he first arrived at Cal Poly, he did not believe it was the right time to consider moving to semesters, mounting pressure from the CSU Board of Trustees has caused the university to reconsider its position.
“The CSU is going to force our hand on this,” Armstrong said. “We’re not going to force our hand on it this spring, but we don’t need to take years.”
Talks have been pending for years in the semester-dominated CSU system to standardize the universities on a common calendar, Armstrong said. Seventeen of the 23 schools currently use semesters, and some of the remaining schools are considering a switch in the near future.
CSU officials say the switch would be a cost-saving measure for the entire system.
“There is a lot of synergy on the CSU campuses,” CSU spokesperson Liz Chapin said. “It would save money to have all of the schools on the same calendar.”
Armstrong said the transition would take resources and money in the short term, but he believes it is necessary if the university would end up in a better state than it is now.
“There’s a long list of pros, long list of cons for quarters; there’s a long list of pros, long list of cons for semesters,” Armstrong said. “If we convert, it will be a lot of work. It will take money, it will cost money.”
Recently-hired provost Kathleen Enz Finken has experience with transitioning from quarters to semesters. When she taught at Minnesota State University, Moorhead, Enz Finken saw the school change as part of a larger movement in the state’s colleges. Like Armstrong, she is a proponent of the semester system and said she believes it would bring a positive change to Cal Poly.
“In my experience, the semester system, for me, was definitely preferable,” she said. “It’s harder for me to understand what specifically about Cal Poly would be different.”
Enz Finken said it would, however, take years to turn Cal Poly around and reorient all of their systems to fit with semesters. She said the change would affect everyone from technology specialists who would have to change computer software to athletics programs who would have different calendars for how students’ academic calendars sync with athletic ones.
“I’ve seen these processes go really, really well, and I’ve seen them go poorly,” Enz Finken said. “It’s all about planning.”
Though there is what Armstrong calls a “soft mandate,” to make the change to semesters, he said he still wants to solicit student input on the decision. Students, he said, tend to be in favor of quarters, whereas faculty and staff are split on the issue.
Biological sciences junior Kristy Liu said she thinks Cal Poly works better on quarters because of it’s fast-paced environment.
“Being in a quarter system might be better,” she said. “I like it because if you don’t like a class, you’re out of that class sooner.”
Though she said semesters might be less stressful than 10-week quarters, like many students on campus, she plans to graduate by the time a change could be made.
“If it were to happen, it’d probably be after I graduate,” Liu said. “So it doesn’t really affect me.”
Faculty, on the other hand, seem to be split on the issue.
Glen Thorncroft, a mechanical engineering professor and president of the California Faculty Association Chapter at Cal Poly, said professors in more technical majors tend to prefer quarters; those in non-technical departments, he said, are more likely to support converting to semesters.
Thorncroft himself is an adamant proponent of quarters. After Tuesday’s Academic Senate meeting, he said he was sorely disappointed in Armstrong “resigning to semesters” like the rest of the CSU.
“I think when you really add up all the advantages of both systems, the quarter system produces a better product and a unique product for Cal Poly,” Thorncroft said. “I think semesters is the vanilla solution. Trying to be like everyone else isn’t the answer. When you’re No. 1, you don’t turn around very often to see who’s chasing you. I’m sorry, but that’s where I stand on it.”
But Armstrong said if there ever was a time to make the change, he wants to start planning for it now. The committee he is co-chairing will provide funding to help with the transition, and he said he wants to get feedback from the students before CSU Chancellor Charles Reed makes a final decision on if the quarter-calendar schools will need to convert.
“It’s controversial because many people believe it’s really part of our uniqueness, part of our mystique,” Armstrong said. “Certainly it’s a part of it. I believe the greatness and uniqueness at Cal Poly runs much deeper than that and is more complicated just the fact we’re on quarters. Certainly we need to talk about it, we need to discuss the pros and cons of quarters and semesters. But we need to make a decision and move on.”

More coverage on this, please! I am very interested in learning the specifics of what transferring to a semester schedule would look like, from both a financial point of view and a graduation timeline/class re-scheduling/unit conversion point of view.
I vastly favor the quarter system, because you can take a larger variety of elective classes in addition to your major classes. Also, how would you handle summer school? It is too short to be a semester. Semesters tend to drag along, especially during Christmas vacation time and having to return to the same semester in January. It would be a big mistake to change to semesters. Cal Poly is unique and has been ever since President Julian McPhee took over the Cal Poly presidency in 1933. It does not follow the other schools, it leads them and stays out in front. let’s stay ahead.
College semesters run differently than high school semesters, they would end before winter break starts. But they would start earlier in the summer. Spring break, however, would fall during the semester.
Colleges do not return to school in January on the same semester. Winter semester would still end before Christmas. You are thinking of high school. Also summer school is 6-8 weeks for all colleges. It is always shorter than the real school year, whether the college is on semester or quarter. I do not agree with moving to semester but if you want to argue against it you should have a valid argument.
Being a transfer student I’ve experienced the difference between quarter and semester calenders. Unlike the comment above suggests, college semesters don’t run like high school semesters, the semester would end before winter vacation, like it does now. We may have a longer break, but it also means starting earlier in the summer. However the summer would start earlier because instead of the 20-some weeks we have for winter and spring quarters now, we would have just one semester, usually 16-18 weeks long. But the semesters are almost twice as long as one of our quarters, and classes don’t seem to move as quickly. Also with semesters spring break would fall in the middle of the semester instead of between quarters as it does now. This being said, I definitely prefer quarters because they move much quicker and you learn more faster.
As an undergraduate, I attended UC, Davis (and was used to the quarter system). When I went to graduate school, I braced myself for the semester system (which I thought at first I would hate–I was wrong). Prior to coming to Cal Poly, I taught at universities on the semester system. Then I came full circle and entered the quarter system again at Cal Poly (which I hate).
The quarter system does permit students to get out of classes they do not enjoy faster, as mentioned above (or faculty members to be “rid” of them faster).
But from my experience both as a student and a professor, the semester system better facilitates in-depth, comprehensive study of a topic as well as deep thinking, engagement, and quality work.
Just my two cents… but if, ultimately they can save two or more for this cash-strapped institution (and better the education we provide), I’m all for the change.
P.S. I do not hate Cal Poly — but the quarter system at Cal Poly!
Even though if they decide to switch I will definitely have graduated by the time, I really hope they don’t. Part of the reason why I chose Cal Poly was the quarter system. I had semesters in high school, and I wasn’t sure how I would feel about quarters at first but I ended up loving them. Ten weeks go by so much faster than 16, plus you have the opportunity to take a greater variety of classes. Maybe I’m just a little ADD, but I can hardly stand 10 weeks of bio or econ, much less 16.
My other concern is that if the school does decide to switch over to semesters, won’t they have to make changes to almost all the curriculums? I feel like this could be a huge burden to teachers. I also feel like it could be a pain to the students who get caught in the middle (like those who have completed two or three years on the quarter system when the semester system is implemented).
Whether or not it’s better for learning or finances, the quarter system is better for ensuring timely graduation at an impacted school like Cal Poly. Quarters allow for greater schedule flexibility, to work around full classes. And if you fail a class with quarters, you’ve wasted less time doing so, and have more time to make up for it.
other than berkeley, each of the top UC schools (LA, Irvine, SD, SB) as well as stanford go by the quarter system. If we continue to wish to be among the best schools in CA we must not conform to the actions of the other state schools in an effort to save money.
Why is President Armstrong saying “we need to make a decision and move on”? Does he not realize that Cal Poly is on the quarter system because that decision was already made?
Cal Poly is already well established in the quarter system, so what would happen if the professors now have nearly twice the amount of time to teach a course? We would all like to think students would have that much more time for
“Learn by Doing,” but I suspect that there will be alot of busy work to fill in the gaps.
Among other things, the quarter system is great because it allows one to take a wider range of classes and its pace demands immediate focus and no fooling around.
President Armstrong states that the semester system has a long list of pros. If that’s the case, perhaps he’ll share some of them.
“If it’s not broken, don’t fix it” has always been one of life’s golden rules. President Armstrong should keep this in mind as he makes his decision. Especially in these times of tight budgets.
Had to check to see what other public universities are on quarter vs. semesters in California. Here’s the link to the list:
http://xatal.com/california/csus-ucs-on-quarter-or-semester-system/
CSU Campuses:
CSU Bakersfield: Quarter
CSU Channel Islands: Semester
CSU Chico: Semester
CSU Dominguez Hills: Semester
CSU East Bay: Quarter
CSU Fresno: Semester
CSU Fullerton: Semester
Humboldt State University: Semester
CSU Long Beach: Semester
CSU Los Angeles: Quarter
California State Maritime Academy: Semester
CSU Monterey Bay: Semester
CSU Northridge: Semester
Cal Poly, Pomona: Quarter
CSU Sacramento: Semester
CSU San Bernardino: Quarter
San Diego State University: Semester
San Francisco State University: Semester
San Jose State University: Semester
Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo: Quarter
CSU San Marcos: Semester
Sonoma State University: Semester
CSU Stanislaus: 4-1-4
UC Campuses:
UC Berkeley: Semester
UC Davis: Quarter
UC Irvine: Quarter
UC Los Angeles: Quarter
UC Merced: Semester
UC Riverside: Quarter
UC San Diego: Quarter
UC Santa Barbara: Quarter
UC Santa Cruz: Quarter
If the semester system is that beneficial wouldn’t one suppose that all the UCs would be on the system?
Armstrong needs to think very seriously about what his actions will have on the perceived quality of education at Cal Poly and how that will impact the demand for the university’s grads. If Cal Poly grads are competing for jobs and placement into top graduate schools against grads from the best UCs and the UCs are overwhelmingly on the quarter system, it would seem staying the course with quarters is the way to go.
Cal Poly and Cal Poly-Pomona are different from every other CSU due to the majors offered. What’s working for the primarily “liberal arts” CSU schools isn’t necessarily a good fit for Cal Poly.
As a student who transfered from one of the top 3 JC’s in the nation, i am all for the semester. Further, the semester is nothing like the semesters in high school.
It allows people to fully understand the concepts that are taught. For instance, sometimes it seems as though we are taught only to regurgitate what we learn because the quarter is so rushed and there is too much material that teachers need to cover. It also significantly reduces stress. Instead of having two-three midterms in a week, they would be scattered in a span of two week. In the semester there is more time to get adjusted to the new term. Instead of having a day to a week to ease in, on the semester there’s a couple of weeks to adjust. The unit level will also change. Classes that are now 4 units would be 3 units and classes would only meet an hour and a half twice a week.
One of the many reasons people chose Cal Poly is because of the wonderful atmosphere here in SLO. Sometimes school is so overwhelming that many of us don’t have the time to fully enjoy what the area has to offer.
The Cal Poly brand shouldn’t lose its value. Learn by Doing will still happen. The school will still maintain its superiority and the admissions process won’t be compromised by it either.
Berkeley, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, and many other prestigious schools across the nation all use the semesters. UCs are research based and shouldn’t really be compared to the CSU system.
The decision will ultimately fall on the CSu Chancellor who has wanted this change for years. If/when the change does occur, it won’t happen for at least four to five years because of the logistics of everything from changing our course catalogue, to our network configuration, and so on.
Perhaps the biggest reason for remaining on the quarter system is that it demands immediate focus and emulates working world intensity much more than a semester schedule.
In the working work, one must focus on the assignment immediately. There’s no taking time to slowly get acclimated.
This is why a quarter system approach coupled with Cal Poly’s Learn by Doing philosophy prepare students so well for professional life.
On the CSU website, it states university presidents are given independence to manage their campuses with a fair degree of autonomy. If this is true, President Armstrong’s claim that Cal Poly is being forced into the semester system must be fabricated and he has a hidden agenda.
Semesters will only lower Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo standards to that of CSU Chico or lower.
Keep quarters or my annual Cal Poly fund donation will end.
When the CSU system looks to standardize, wouldnt it be productive to reflect the policies of the crown jewel of their system?
I’ve experienced both the semester system and the quarter system at Cal Poly, and I hate the quarter system. It’s always way too much of a rush and I never could really learn the material as deeply as I would have liked, because there just wasn’t the time for it. The rush is also extremely stressful and forces students to stay on overdrive far longer than is sustainable, and that increases the likelyhood of burnout. The quarter system breaks students that would be otherwise successful in the more flexible, lower stress semester system. It’s not because the students are bad at all, but because of an unhealthy deathmarch style workflow.
I’ve heard many times how the quarter system is good because you get out of the classes you don’t like, but I see that as a symptom of how the quarter system creates a broken environment and this benefit is actually just a bad coping mechanism for the underlying problem.
I believe that the quarter system is holding Cal Poly back from being a truly excellent place of learning.
After switching to the semester system for grad school after doing undergrad at Poly, I have no clue why anyone would prefer the semester system.
I loathe the semester system. Classes drag on, there is much more busy-work, professors run out of material and let you out of class early, and the course curricula ends up scattered and unfocused. I would give anything to be in a grad program on the quarter system!